Does Mind belong to the Universe?
Posted on Jul 24th, 2009
by
Anand
My mainstream friends and colleagues keep asking me why I am interested in the problem of consciousness. To some of them, showing an interest in this problem is symptomatic of a deeper psychological problem: for example, i) I could be a closet theist (heaven forbid) and am masking this by a philosophical masquerade, ii) I could be a vague new age/spiritual type (even worse) and trying to shore up some cred by feigning interest in philosophy or finally, iii) I am a mal-adjusted mathist/Platonist/transcendentalist who has failed to come to proper grips with the familiar tropes of neurobiology/evolution/emergence. In a nutshell: One is not supposed to begin thinking about consciousness until one solves the problem of the brain. In other words, we should all work on the brain and not on the mind for the next two hundred years or so or however long it takes to understand the brain as a complex, nonlinear chaotic dynamical system. And so much worse for society and culture at large where experiences, qualitative distinctions and choices obviously have value.
In response, I've decided to simplify my position a great deal. I came up with the following:
The resulting discussions have been very amusing to say the least since I uncompromisingly push the mental=physical angle following items i) - iv) above. Strangely, it is the neuroscience type who is most troubled by where this is headed. Let me explain why.
The typical neuroscientist usually (unconsciously) assumes that mental properties are created by brain processes. What this does is relegate consciousness to that of epiphenomena in isolated brains. (And then you don't have to worry about it anymore.) When I go from point iii) to point iv) above, what I'm trying to do is to take mental properties and push them out into the universe instead of confining them (or locking them up) in isolated brains. When I do this, it immediately creates a problem for the neuroscientist because mental properties are now directly coupled to physical properties and the brain can get bypassed in the process. This is troubling, nay, threatening.
The usual response is dull and boring. The universe since the big bang has been evolving. We are the end products of evolution and mental properties have emerged full blown in us while being latent in primates and mammals (like cats and dogs). So the slide from iii) to iv) is non threatening since it is now temporally unpacked (with no mind in the universe until mammals or higher animals or somesuch).
You have to wait patiently until this tedious tirade winds its way to its turgid ending. And then, you innocuously slip in the haymaker. If minds emerged so late in evolution, how can you possibly know that this story of a trajectory from the big bang to present day man (with mind) is actually true? That is, the big bang to emergence of mind story is an inference from physical facts and one that is heavily biased by the a priori assumption (driven by Cartesian intuition) that mental experience is supervenient on physical brains. (It is one thing to seek to prove this relationship and a completely different thing to tacitly assume it from the start.) Isn't it more likely (by the neuroscientist's own admission), that the true physical - whatever it is - may be beyond our reach exactly because of the neuroscientists' own theory that we are isolated minds in a physical universe. And if this is possible, couldn't the starting assumption that we are epiphenomenal isolated minds in a physical universe also be false?
The conversation breaks down at this point because from the neuroscientist's point of view, you are clearly a i) crackpot, ii) closet religious type, iii) postmodernist, iv) newage woolly headed type but thankfully not all of the above at least not at the same time :-)
We have to move beyond this kind of name calling if we are to make any progress whatsoever on the problem of accommodating experience in the natural order. The emergence trope has started regressing into a kind of religious belief (no doubt driven by the evolution versus intelligent design culture wars) with the people espousing it starting to close ranks of late.
In response, I've decided to simplify my position a great deal. I came up with the following:
- The universe is physical.
- I am a part of the universe.
- I have a mind.
- Therefore the universe has a mind or mental properties in general.
The resulting discussions have been very amusing to say the least since I uncompromisingly push the mental=physical angle following items i) - iv) above. Strangely, it is the neuroscience type who is most troubled by where this is headed. Let me explain why.
The typical neuroscientist usually (unconsciously) assumes that mental properties are created by brain processes. What this does is relegate consciousness to that of epiphenomena in isolated brains. (And then you don't have to worry about it anymore.) When I go from point iii) to point iv) above, what I'm trying to do is to take mental properties and push them out into the universe instead of confining them (or locking them up) in isolated brains. When I do this, it immediately creates a problem for the neuroscientist because mental properties are now directly coupled to physical properties and the brain can get bypassed in the process. This is troubling, nay, threatening.
The usual response is dull and boring. The universe since the big bang has been evolving. We are the end products of evolution and mental properties have emerged full blown in us while being latent in primates and mammals (like cats and dogs). So the slide from iii) to iv) is non threatening since it is now temporally unpacked (with no mind in the universe until mammals or higher animals or somesuch).
You have to wait patiently until this tedious tirade winds its way to its turgid ending. And then, you innocuously slip in the haymaker. If minds emerged so late in evolution, how can you possibly know that this story of a trajectory from the big bang to present day man (with mind) is actually true? That is, the big bang to emergence of mind story is an inference from physical facts and one that is heavily biased by the a priori assumption (driven by Cartesian intuition) that mental experience is supervenient on physical brains. (It is one thing to seek to prove this relationship and a completely different thing to tacitly assume it from the start.) Isn't it more likely (by the neuroscientist's own admission), that the true physical - whatever it is - may be beyond our reach exactly because of the neuroscientists' own theory that we are isolated minds in a physical universe. And if this is possible, couldn't the starting assumption that we are epiphenomenal isolated minds in a physical universe also be false?
The conversation breaks down at this point because from the neuroscientist's point of view, you are clearly a i) crackpot, ii) closet religious type, iii) postmodernist, iv) newage woolly headed type but thankfully not all of the above at least not at the same time :-)
We have to move beyond this kind of name calling if we are to make any progress whatsoever on the problem of accommodating experience in the natural order. The emergence trope has started regressing into a kind of religious belief (no doubt driven by the evolution versus intelligent design culture wars) with the people espousing it starting to close ranks of late.
Tagged with: consciousness, mind, universe, physical, evolution, emergence, neuroscience, chaotic dynamical system, epiphenomena, brain

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